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  • soapiecb 2:12 PM on May 16, 2009 Permalink |  

    Juror Two 

    All the evidence given in court definitely makes this obvious. The boy is guilty, I… I mean, well, two witnesses saw him kill his father. The woman saw it. Well, she saw it through the el train, but she did see it. I don’t think she would lie right? Maybe it wasn’t exactly clear, but she claims to have recognized the boy… and… and the old man who heard the boy. He says the boy shouted “I’ll kill you!” then heard the body fall. He even saw the boy running down the stairs fifteen seconds after he heard the body fall. I think those two testimonies prove his guilt… its obvious isn’t it? We timed it, and it took more than thirty seconds. The old man was wrong right? He said only fifteen, but it took almost forty seconds. He must be wrong…. There’s no way he could have seen the boy run down the stairs. I don’t know, but I’m beginning to agree with Juror Eight. I… I think I’m going to change my vote. Juror Eight has made a lot of good points so far. What he says makes sense. Plus, the old man was wrong… he claimed to have taken fifteen seconds, when it was probably nearly forty seconds!

     
  • Juror 12 2:11 PM on May 16, 2009 Permalink |  

    Juror 12, Act 2 

     

                I can’t believe I am stuck in this room for this long. I am missing so much business. These people just do not understand what it is like to be as successful as I am. Juror 8 is trying to make things as slow as possible on purpose. Eleven people knew the kid was guilty and he took it upon himself to change all of that. Well as of right now, he is not changing my mind. The old man heard it and the women saw it. I don’t see what more anyone could ask for in a murder case. There was some talk about a knife, but that was a waste of time. It doesn’t prove anything. These jurors wouldn’t last one day in the advertising business. They can’t even make a simple decision. This whole mess is a waste of time and I’m losing money by not being at work. I try to say what I know to be right when I get a chance, but most of these guys are too stubborn to listen. Well, they are surely wasting their time trying to change my mind. Unless someone can come up with the best evidence ever presented, I’m sticking with guilty. 

     
  • Juror Seven 4:03 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink |  

    Juror 7 Act #2 

    The boy is guilty. There is nothing you can do to change my mind. I do not really care what happens the boy I just want to get out of my dumb jury duty. Now if Juror eight wants to find all of the evidence in the world and try to declare the boy guilty he can do it, just without me. Juror three though is going a little overboard with trying the get out of here. Now I want to get out of here as fast as I can, but Juror three is just going to the extreme. Like I’m going to kill you dang that a little much for me.
    I just think Juror eight is just trying to hard to show that this boy is guilty. One of these other Juror are going to actually kill him. There is nothing wrong with just sending this boy to jail for a while. Besides, I do think that he did kill his dad. I just want everyone to get out of here in one piece. Gosh, this whole Jury thing is just not worth it. This whole thing is getting out of hand. I just want to leave, I have to go to a Broadway show tonight.

     
    • Juror 12 8:41 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Finally someone is making sense. I just want to get home and I think having the boy go to jail is a good idea if it gets us out of here.

    • Juror 4 8:58 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      What’s so important that you need to go home for? It doesn’t hurt to take one night to look through the facts and determine a man’s fate. But, with that said, I’m not against you. As of now I still think he’s guilty. Doesn’t mean we still shouldn’t take time to deliberate..

      • Juror 12 9:02 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        You are not in advertising. People like you just don’t understand. I know you agree with me, but the main focus right now is not becoming friends. We need to get rid of this kid and get back to the real world of business.

    • Juror Two 8:17 PM on May 13, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      It doesn’t matter if you have to go to a show tonight… just listen to what Juror eight has to say. He’s been making a lot of good points. I thought the boy was guilty but now… now there seems to be too much missing information…

  • Juror 5 11:24 AM on April 23, 2009 Permalink |  

    Juror 5 Act2 

    In my view, Juror 8 is ten times more persuasive than the kid’s real lawyer. I mean right now, I’m the most convinced that the boy didn’t do it since the trial began. If I were the kid I’d hire a new lawyer immediately, he might as well plead his on case.

    This is such a tough decision for me. I can sort of see where the kid is coming from. No! He didn’t grow up in the greatest of neighborhoods, but that is definitely no reason to sentence him to death. I’m not completely convinced by either side of this argument, Juror 8 has made some really good points on his innocence in this trial, but at the same time we have and old woman saying that she witnessed the murder! Both arguments are almost equal with me at the moment.

    If I absolutely do have to choose a side, I plead…not guilty. I am not about to take a young boy, not even over the age of 20’s life because of a majority of the party is saying he is guilty. Before I sentence someone to the death penalty I want 100% authority that the facts/evidence is correct.

     
    • Juror 11 11:59 AM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I am in the exact same place as you. At first I was sure this kid was guilty, all the points of the evidence pointed to it! But then Juror eight pointed out how slow the old man would have had to walked to the end of the hall and now I am not sure on anything anymore.

      • Juror Three 2:16 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        You let that preacher affect your vote? You sicken me! We have to burn this kid NOW!

        • Juror 9 2:50 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink

          And put an innocent life in the slums! I think not. I am no preacher, but I know for a fact that the evidence given to us is not right. The old man couldn’t have walked to the bedroom to the door in 15. It would have taken him at least 30 seconds! You sicken me!

    • Juror 9 2:48 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I hear you! The boy’s lawyer isn’t favoring him in anyway. The evidence with the old man just doesn’t add up, something is off. I just have this feeling that this kid is not guilty! Juror 8 pulled the facts together and we all need to listen to him!

    • Juror Seven 2:54 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror 5 seriously, this kid came from a bad neighborhood he going to do bad things and I guess he killed a man then. What are the odds that this boy is innocent. Everything is against him here. This isn’t worth the time just put him on the chair, no one is going to miss him anyway.

      • Juror 12 8:44 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I completely agree Juror 7. I have places to be and people to meet and if the chair is the fastest way to get out of here, then lets make it happen!

    • Juror 10 3:12 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      How could you plead not guilty? What is this jury room turning into? Look at the facts! Everything points to the kid being a cold-blooded murderer! Lets get him off the streets and into the chair.

    • Juror 4 8:55 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I agree that the defendent’s lawyer really did a poor job doing his duty. I don’t think he believed in his own cause… Nonetheless, I have to ask myself why none of those points were brought up in court. The case is getting more difficult for me to judge as we go on. As of now, though, I’m going to stay with guilty. I haven’t been convinced.

    • Juror Two 8:25 PM on May 13, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I agree! The evidence is very lackluster. Although the boy seemed guilty at first, when you dig deeper the evidence is very flimsy. His lawyer didn’t support him and its unfair to send him off to die without a second thought…

  • Juror Six 3:07 PM on April 22, 2009 Permalink |  

    Juror Six Act Two 

    As I see it, this argument is being won by Juror Eight. He’s really fighting for this kids life. I actually admire that about him. His determination is very strong and inspiring.

    Well, I don’t know about this Juror Three guy. All he’s saying is gibberish that doesn’t prove a thing. Then again, he has had his moments of telling what we want to hear. But he’s depending on Four to much. Just because Four is on his side still, doesn’t mean he has to give all the logical points! Three just can’t think on his own.

    The case points that attracted me most was how Eight got so technical with the proved time that the man got to the door, compared to what the old man really said. An old geezer like himself couldn’t have gotten to the door from his bedroom is fifteen seconds. It’s just not possible. Even if you say adrenaline was in him, I dont think he could have reached the door to see the boy running. Fifteen seconds sounds more like a young man that ran to the door, instead of an 8o+ year old. He must have lied on court just to get attention from the press, which is a horrible choice if I do say so myself. And, even if he did get up, he wouldn’t have been able to hear the boy scream since the el train passed by the old man. I’m barely able to hear anything when those things go by.

    Maybe I should change my vote. It sounds like the right thing to do at this point. Everything that Eight has proved adds up perfectly with the boys testimony. Three still thinks otherwise, but that’s his choice.

     
    • Juror 5 3:32 PM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I agree, I think Juror 8 brings a very strong argument. He dosn’t want to take the chance of killing someone if they are not 100% sure he did it. Juror 3 is getting angrier and angrier because Juror 8 is actually making statements that make sense.

    • Juror Three 2:18 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror Eight’s arguments are strong, but mine are stronger. All the evidence is on my side and in the end, I will be glad to pull the switch on that kid.

    • Juror 9 2:58 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror Eight helped open our eyes to what is really going on in this case. The evidence doesn’t add up and we are responsible for this boys life. Juror Three is just in his own world and wants everyone to go along with it! The old man has had two strokes in the past year, Im suprised he can stil speak properly.

    • Juror Seven 3:05 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Why in everything that is good in this world change your vote! The kid is guilty you are just letting Juror eight manipulate you into thinking that this kid is some nice little boy. Well you know what this kid is a thug and should go to jail for the rest of his life!

    • Juror 10 3:10 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Strong and inspiring? What is this garbage? All Juror 8 is doing is making hypothetical theories that don’t agree with the evidence! Don’t be weak minded. The kid is plain guilty! The old man heard it! Get back on the right side, and stop listening to Juror 8’s fairy tales.

      • Juror 12 8:46 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Couldn’t have said it better myself! There’s not much else you could ask for in a murder case. The kid is guilty and thats the end of the story. None of you would understand, but the advertising business is hard work and I need to get back to it.

    • Juror Two 8:10 PM on May 13, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Yes, you’re right…. Juror eight makes some very good points. I mean, he has me convinced! All those points he’s made, lead to reasonable. There are so many unanswered questions…. the evidence is very flimsy… I mean, there is room for reasonable doubt… right?

  • Juror 11 10:41 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink |  

    At first I completely and fully believed… 

    At first I completely and fully believed that the boy was guilty. I thought that this case took barely any thought at all. The boy said that on the night of the killing he was at the movies, yet he didn’t have a ticket stub, no one remembers he was there and the boy himself did not even remember what movie he saw! And the old man, that should have been the case closer! In his testimony, which he swore to, he said he heard the boy from the above floor yell, “I’m gonna kill you!” and even said he saw the boy running down the stairs!

    But then Juror 8 brought up an interesting point. He mentioned that in his testimony the old man stated that it took him fifteen seconds to get from his bed, to the door of his apartment, and to get to the end of the hall. This was a distance of roughly forty feet. But Juror 8 brought up the question, how could an old man who has had two strokes and walks on two canes walk that distance in fifteen seconds.

    Juror 8 set up an example of this walk and we had one of the other jurors time him as he slowly walked the distance at approximately the speed at which the old man would have been walking and it took him thirty-nine seconds! Thirty-nine seconds! Thirty-nine! Juror 8 may have been a little bit off on the speed that the old cripple moved at—but twenty-four seconds off…I just don’t know anymore. At first I was sure that the kid was guilty, but now…I’m not so sure anymore.

     
    • Juror Three 10:43 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Wake up, Juror 11! This Juror Eight guy WAS off by twenty-four seconds! Wake up and smell the coffee, and lets get that kid where he belongs.

    • Juror 10 10:43 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’ll make you be sure. The kid is guilty! The old man saw him! How can you listen to the nonsense of Juror 8?

    • Foreman 10:44 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Thank you for standing up for what you know is true. I think that there are other Jurors that feel as you do, but don’t have your courage to come out and say it. I was the same way. At first, I was skeptical and unbelieving. Now, however, I have seen the case in a different light and see more truth than what I did before.

    • Juror 5 3:27 PM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I think that you state a very strong point. If someone’s information is off by that much, I’d like somemore evidence before he is sentenced to the death penalty.

    • Juror Seven 2:57 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Who cares what the facts say. The boy is just simply guilty. He should have known better not to get in this kind of situation and since he did he is going to get the chair. It is not like anyone is going to miss him.

    • Juror 12 8:56 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror 8 is saying whatever he needs to because he doesn’t realize how busy the rest of us are. Your first instinct was correct. This case doesn’t need any thought. The man heard it and the women saw it. None of this nonsense would be happening if these jurors knew what amount of pressure was involved in the advertising world.

  • Juror Three 10:33 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink |  

    Juror Three Act Two 

    This is perhaps the biggest waste of time I’ve ever seen.  I mean, with all the witnesses there, it seems obvious that the kid should be sent straight to the chair, but this Juror Eight has to force us to stop and make us listen about this kid’s poor life in a slum.  Please!  That’s perhaps the greatest evidence there is!  He grew up in a place where criminals make their own laws!  Then there was the old man who heard the boy and the body fall, and the woman on the el train who actually saw the kid stab his father.  This kid even had previous trouble with the police for mugging!  Everything is pointing towards guilty, but Juror Eight just has to go over everything else again!  I’ve got better things to do than listen to a case that should have ended five days ago.

     

    Okay, so maybe the old man said what he said to get a little attention.  I doubt that.  Of all the displays of dishonesty, that would be tops in my book.  Also, Juror Eight was way off when he attempted to imitate him going to his door.  He moved way faster than that!  When you hear somebody scream “I’m going to kill you” you’re going to move fast!  What makes that phrase different than when somebody uses it in every day life?  A man was murdered!  Hello?!  We have to stop this kid now, otherwise we’ll be letting a dangerous, deranged killer walk the streets!

     
    • Juror 10 10:37 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I completely agree. Juror 8’s sob story is making me crazy! We have to stop this murderer! If I have to hear more of Juror 8’s bogus…

      • Juror 12 8:49 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        He’s making me crazy too! Not that you would understand, but I have a lot of work to do for my advertising business and the faster we get rid of this kid, the better.

    • Juror 4 10:38 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You have to admit, some of the points Juror 8 has been making have been interesting. I agree with the guilty verdict, but I don’t know that I’m as wholehearted about it as you are. I wasn’t going to say it, but you should work on using the evidence when you’re yelling with the rest of the jury. It would help to send your points further.

    • Foreman 10:42 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Are you and Juror 10 brothers? You both practice similar impatience and stubbornness. Sit back and listen to EVERYONE. Others have feelings and emotions, too. I believe the kid is not guilty, but not because I want that. It’s because I’ve listened to the facts, and separated the facts from the follies. It would do you good if you did the same.

    • Juror 5 3:37 PM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I completely disagree. Juror 8 has brought up some really strong talking points that actually make sense, I can’t believe someone would sentence another person to death without more evidence. And by the way, did you see Juror 8 running away when you made the statement, “Im going to kill you”

    • Juror 9 2:53 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Not every one who grows up in the slums lives in the right place! Besides, who would be stupid enought to yell a threat like “Im going to kill you” so all their neighbors could hear. If we put this man in jail than their will be letting the real killer walk the streets!

    • Juror Seven 3:00 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      There we go! Someone who has common sense. He should have gotten the chair from the very start of this whole investigation. If it wasn’t for this Juror eight guy we would have been out of here a long time ago and doing our own things and never seening each other again.

    • Juror Two 8:33 PM on May 13, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Even if Juror Eight was off on the time, you have to admit, it would have taken the old man longer than fifteen seconds to get to his front door. It was distance for an old man who walks slowly. He may have moved faster because of what he heard, but…. it’s still a bit shaky…

  • Juror 10 10:31 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink |  

    Act 2 

               Seriously?  This Juror 8 guy is driving me up the freaking wall!  Who does he think he is?  The kid is just plain guilty!  All of this evidence gets shoved up into his face, and he has the nerve to throw it all back!  You have to be kidding me!  All of these bogus arguments make me sick.  Do you want some arguments?  I’ll show you some!

     

                So what if the old man said it took fifteen seconds to get out of his door and down the hallway?  He heard a scream!  When someone’s adrenaline is pumping, their perception of time changes.  The old man had never experienced anything like that in his life.  What must have taken him “thirty-nine seconds”, as the gracious Juror 8 “proved”, might have felt like fifteen to him!  If he swore he saw the kid, he did.  He was under oath, for Pete’s sake!

     

                 Don’t get me started on this whole movie theater thing.  First of all, no one even saw him there!  To make it even better, he didn’t even remember the name of the movie he saw!  You think that when you are on trial for your life, you would be able to remember the name of the movie you “sneaked”, according Juror 8’s theory, into.  Oh, and how his knife “fell out of his pocket”?  What a load of baloney!  It take a lot of pressure to push a knife out of a tight pocket.  He would had been trying to make it fall out.  That is one of the most lamest excuses I have ever heard!

     

                Now, Juror 8 says that the boy is “clever.”  How clever can an abused kid who lives in the slums be?  Again, Juror 8 says that he sneaks into theaters.  How clever can you be to sneak into theaters!  That’s just immoral!  If you are immoral enough to do that, you could be immoral enough to kill a man.  Also, if you can’t even remember the name of the movie you saw, you have to be pretty darn dumb!

     

                There you have it.  All of the most incriminating evidence in the whole world.  If this doesn’t downright convince you, I don’t know what will.  How do you like that, Juror 8?

     
    • Juror 4 10:33 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’d advise you to try and keep your emotions out of this jury. I know where you’re coming from on these points, but you should make sure to back it up. As of yet, I agree that he is guilty, and your point about the 39 seconds is valid. If the man had wiped off the fingerprints, it would have taken him longer anyway…

    • Juror Three 10:34 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Honestly! Juror Eight is turning this simple case into a war! Of course all these arguments are pointing towards a guilty verdict, but this preacher has to waste our time with stories about abused slum kids! We ought to throw Juror Eight out for influencing the other jurors with pity stories!

    • Foreman 10:37 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You really need to gain control of yourself, mister! You’re letting personal rage and fury come into this case. You should come into this case as neutral, not stereotypical. Your defensiveness is driving myself and others crazy, so shut it for a while, and listen to the FACTS!

      • Juror Three 10:40 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Facts!? The more facts I hear about, the more I’m convinced the kid is guilty! Stop wasting time and lets get that kid into the chair!

    • Juror 9 3:01 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      How could the old man of heard the scream! My hearing is less of what it was years ago, and Im not even as old as he is. So your telling me the boy supposedly yelled to his whole building “I’m going to kill you,” while an el train was going by and only the almost death old guy heard it? What are the insane?

    • Juror 11 10:52 AM on April 24, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Sir, you need to calm down. The differential between the time the old man took to get to the end of the hall and the time he said he took, (which he swore to) is now crucial evidence. I WAS in the same boat as you, I thought that all Juror 8 was doing was rambling on and on but then he brought up some points that even the lawyers didn’t bring up. So now, I’m disagreeing with you.

    • Juror Two 8:47 PM on May 13, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Previously I thought that the boy was guilty. If he couldn’t rember the name of the pictures he saw, he couldn’t have seen them right? But then again, he was under stress, I mean he came home to his father dead! Think about it, there is doubt….

  • Juror 4 10:27 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink |  

    Juror 4 

    If there was anything going for this man, I would change my vote to not guilty. Unfortunately, I’ve been convinced that this is a crime he committed. From the beginning, the evidence points to his guilt. First off, he couldn’t even recall which picture he saw the night of the murder, and no one at the theater could remember him. One of the most convincing testimonies is that of the woman across the street—the woman remembers every detail, up to the specific cars she saw the murder through. I would say that’s some pretty unshakable evidence. Some of Juror 8’s points have been interesting, to say the least, but I can’t say they’ve been convincing enough. I’m a little perturbed by the attitudes of the other jurors. Though I do agree with several of them on the guilt of the defendant, their lack of justification for their arguments simply make them look silly. The whole point of a jury is to use the facts to come to a conclusion, not to use personal emotions and stereotypes to do so. Nevertheless, I still maintain my stand on the case. For example, Juror 8’s argument that the old man wouldn’t have heard the scream over the el train just doesn’t hold up with me. The el train moves straight past the window and makes a low, rumbling noise. It only screeches when it goes around turns, so the old man could have heard the high-pitched scream clearly. Again, if I could find a significant and reasonable doubt, I would acquit him, but so far I haven’t found any.

     
    • Foreman 10:34 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I whole-heartedly disagree. Though I understand where you are getting your arguements from, there are other fragment of proof that counter them. The el train make a loud noise that the woman herself said that she couldn’t sleep through. A few of the other jurors have also lived along the el train and admit that the sound is deafening. I believe that personal stereotypes have been kept to a minimum, though a select number of individuals have let their personal lives slip into the picture.

    • Juror 9 10:36 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The facts are right in front of you! Why on Earth would the boy be so stupid to yell out “Im going to kill you!” The boy would have to be an idiot. I doubt every employee would remember who they saw each night at the movies. Thats alot of faces for someone to recall! I also disagree with the el train, it makes tons of reckless noise! I don’t even know how the residents near it survive a night.

    • Juror 10 10:42 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You are so right! There are no reasons to doubt! He is an evil murderer! The old man definitely must have seen the boy. The sooner we get that kid into the chair the better.

    • Juror Three 10:46 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Lets face facts: so far, everything Juror Eight has said is false. The evidence screams for guilty, and Juror Eight twists it to make it say “innocent.” NOTHING says there is a doubt.

    • Juror 5 3:45 PM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Your view of this argument is perfect. Juror 8’s statements may be false, but I strongly agree with him. It isn’t going to hurt if we try and get some other alternatives to the murder. I want more evidence before the BOY is senteced the death penalty.

    • Juror 12 9:00 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror 4, you are one of the few people who is not driving me crazy right now. You are doing exactly the right thing: look at the facts and say the kid is guilty. You couldn’t ask for much more evidence in a murder case. We need to focus on getting rid of this kid as quickly as possible so I can get back to my advertising business.

    • Juror 11 10:56 AM on April 24, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      This is true, the evidence just screams GUILTY! But the fact that the boy couldn’t even think of a good alibi proves that he is stupid. And a stupid boy could not have pulled off the murder and remembered to destroy all the pieces of evidence. I think that there is a reasonable doubt, the do not think that the boy is guilty.

  • Foreman 10:26 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink |  

    Foreman Act 2 

    I believe the kid is not guilty.  With all of Juror 8’s logic and reasoning, he’s starting to convince me, and some of the other jurors I believe.  All I can say is that Juror 8 should be a lawyer.  He has brought out points of interest and importance that were unheard of during the actual trial.  I feel as if my integrity is on trial as he reasons and pleads for this boy’s life with us. 

     

    The solution seems simple.  The boy came up with a cruddy alibi, and can’t keep his story straight. He must be lying!  But wait, lets take a closer look.  The boy is a restless, but bright youth who is too smart do something such as yell for the world to hear that he’s “Going to kill” his father.  According to the old man’s story, the old man was able to hear the boy yell “I’m going to kill you!” and get to his door in a matter of seconds to see the boy run away.  A man who has had two strokes in the last three years and used canes to walk couldn’t have been able to get to the door of his apartment that quickly. 

     

    I wish I could express my ideas more freely, but I don’t want Juror 3 to jump down my throat.  My main job is to maintain the peace and balance here in the jury room.  A boy’s life is at stake, and I believe there is a reasonable doubt.  In my opinion, the boy is not guilty.

     
    • Juror 4 10:31 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I understand where you’re coming from on this, being convinced by Juror 8, but I just can’t agree. I’m searching for reasonable doubt and I can’t find it. How can you put off the fact that the woman saw the murder take place, clearly, through the passing el train? Every pointJuror 8 has made has been decent, but so far I’ve been able to find counteraction for each one.

    • Juror 10 10:34 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Not you too! This Juror 8 guy is spinning a web of fantasy and he just trapped you into it. Look at all the evidence! The kid is guilty. Think of the adrenaline that must have been going through the old man. It is possible he saw the boy!

    • Juror Three 10:37 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You better watch out, Foreman. All the evidence is pointing towards guilty, and if you’re with Juror Eight, then you’re just another Juror trying to stall for time in this case. If that’s your opinion, then you’d better be prepared to have half the Jurors against you. To the chair with this kid!

    • Juror 5 3:47 PM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I agree. The old woman says that she saw the boy kill his father through the windows of a passing el train. I don’t know about you, but i think your vision might be a little impaired, if your looking through the windows of a speeding train.

    • Juror 9 8:40 PM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I agree! Why on Earth would the boy yell at the top of his lungs “Im going to kill you!” And how could the man hear it while at the time an el train was going by! It just doesn’t add up. The man is so old that he has already had two strokes in the last year, how can his hearing be that good? I changed by answert myself and I felt Juror Three’s wrath.

    • Juror 11 10:48 AM on April 24, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I agree. At first I thought there was no way this boy couldn’t killed have his father but now…with all the evidence that Juror 8 has brought out, I am not so sure anymore. I am leaning towards saying that there is a reasonable doubt.

    • Juror Two 8:50 PM on May 13, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I know what you mean! Juror Three is putting everyone down. If you don’t agree with him you’re wrong! There is so much I want to say, but frankly, I’m a little intimidated by Juror Three… You’re doing a good job though…

  • Juror 9 10:15 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink |  

    Juror Nine Act 2 

    I must say, changing my vote to “not guilty” turned the case around. I just had this feeling, down in my gut, that this kid wasn’t guilty. The facts just didn’t add up.The verdict of this case is up to us and I am taking the “guilty beyond a reasonable doubt” aspect seriously.

    I don’t believe that the old man heard the boy scream “I’m going to kill you.” As old age is thrust upon us, our hearing goes. When I just take a train, the noise is loud. I can never concentrate on reading my paper. There is no way that old man, with bad hearing no doubt, heard the boy yell. On the other hand, I can understand if he convinced himself he heard it. I myself have been there once or twice. I have bad the mistake when talking to my colleagues, and I can still swear to this day that they said something unappealing. When I have asked them if they said it they have no idea what I’m talking about. Then there is the whole time issue of him running to the door. With a cane under 15 seconds, someone had to even help him into his seat in during the trial. The trial is coming along I believe. But I am NOT changing my mind on the boy being not guilty. Me changing my vote I think opened a few doors.

     
    • Foreman 10:23 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Way to stick with your intuition! I ended up changing my vote too. After Juror 8 displayed his understanding of the case, I was able to see what I wasn’t able to see in the courtroom. You’re right. The facts just don’t add up.

    • Juror 10 10:41 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You let Juror 8 manipulate you. How could you? All of the evidence is right in your face, and you throw it away because of Juror 8! Seriously? I read my paper all the time on the train. It’s not that loud. Come back to the right side.

    • Juror 4 10:44 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The train really is only deafeningly loud when it goes around turns, and the tracks around the apartments are a straight shot. And the old man might have underestimated the time, but still seen the murderer, seeing as it might have taken him longer to wipe the fingerprints. I know Juror 8’s points are interesting, but my vote stays at guilty.

    • Juror Three 2:20 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Your vote may have opened a few doors for that scoundrel, Juror Eight, but that kid is guilty and we all know it, deep down!

    • Juror Seven 3:03 PM on April 23, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Nice job you are going to make this whole thing longer than it already is. You are such an idiot for doing that. Nice way to stick with your first vote “guilty”. Its people like you who change there their mind at the last second that make me sick.

    • Juror 11 11:02 AM on April 24, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I agree, I believe that there is enough reasonable doubt for this man to be convicted not guilty. I had a feeling in my gut all along that this boy did not have the courage to kill his own father. I mean the hatred one must have for someone to kill them is one thing but the amount of hatred for his own father?? I don’t think he did it.

  • Juror 9 10:14 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink |  

    Juror 9 Act 1 

     

    Juror 9 is a polite man. He doesn’t say much, but when he does it is never to offend anyone. Juror 9 in a way is like an old conservative man. He talks slowly and doesn’t speak too much. He usually doesn’t try to cause a difficulty and seems to always say the right thing.  

    The author gets straight to the point at the beginning on of the story to show that Juror Nine is polite. Juror Seven asks “ Chewing gum? Gum? Gum?”

    Juror Nine simply replies with a “Thank you, but no” while Juror Two and Twelve shake their heads. It may not seem like a big deal but a “Thank You” can go a long way.

    Juror Nine when everyone was talking about the weather, in the beginning of the act, made a simple statement “Yes, it’s hot.” Even though it’s a three word statement, Juror was doing the polite thing to take part in the current conversation.

     

    Conservative old men stick by their morals, and don’t like to listen to others opinions. An unusually situation when Juror Nine did cause a little difficulty was when Juror Ten stated that the boy was given a fair trial and that they didn’t owe him anything. He also stated that the group can’t and shouldn’t believe a word the boy said. Juror ten very slowly replied “..what a terrible thing for a man to believe! Since when is dishonesty a group characteristic? You have no monopoly on the truth!” Juror Nine was frustrated at Juror Nines opinion and he didn’t want to take it. He thought that what that man said was dangerous. Juror Eight actually had to stop Juror Nine from ranting and remind him to relax.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
    • Foreman 10:29 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      throughout Act 1, the foreman never interacts directly with Juror 9. It seems right that they don’t interact because Juror 9 is a polite, quiet man. The foreman never has to silence him or scold him like he does the others.

    • bigsean72 10:35 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      In the first act Jurors5 and 9 don’t interact, but i think if they did they would like eachother. Juror nine seems to be very respectful and polite. Juror5 is offended very easily, and since Juror9 is so polite and respectful he wouldn’t need to argue with Juror5.

  • Juror 5 10:13 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink |  

    Juror 5 act one 

    Juror 5 is a very quiet man. He doesn’t speak up much, because I think he is scared about what the other jurors will say about his opinion. Juror 5 is also very quiet because when it is his turn to talk about the case he decides to pass up his turn. He seems very secretive about his life, because he is offended very easily. Juror 5 also takes many arguments very personally. He does not seem to have a lot of knowledge about how most other people live outside of his neighborhood, because he hasn’t had any chances to experience any of it.

    He is very sensitive person because when juror 10 and juror 4 begin to talk about what a slum the suspect lives in, he gets very offensive. He starts to say that he has lived in a slum all of his life and that he used to play in the backyards filled with garbage, and he gets offended because he finds nothing wrong with this. The other jurors try and calm him down by saying that it is nothing personal, but he responds to them “There is something personal”.

     
    • Juror Three 10:26 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror Three and Five interact very little during the play. When Jurors Ten and Four talk about the slum, Juror Three steps in and tells Juror Five they didn’t mean him. However, this is perhaps one of the two or maybe three times they ever interact during the play.

    • Juror 12 10:35 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror 5 and 12 don’t talk directly to each other, but that is probably best because if Juror 5 and 12 it might not go well. Juror 12 is also quiet, but isn’t afraid to voice his opinion when the oppurtunity comes.

  • Juror Three 9:54 AM on April 20, 2009 Permalink |  

    Juror Three 

    Juror Three is a hardheaded brute.  He doesn’t care about any other person except himself.  His temper is explosive, and his attitude is rude and sadistic.  When others don’t agree with his opinions, he forces his views upon them.  He is also extremely intolerant of his other juror’s opinions.

     

    The personality of Juror Three is shown early in act one.  He often butts into other conversations, and he has never (ever!) wavered from his ideas that the kid is guilty of first-degree murder.  Juror Three seems disgusted by Juror Eight’s peaceful attitude, and it seems like Juror Three is willing to go out of his way to convince the other jurors that the kid is totally guilty.  He ignores evidence that the kid is innocent, and continues to rant about his guiltiness.

     

    The play never goes for long without Juror Three’s interference.  Several conversations with other jurors are interrupted by Juror Three, interjecting his own opinions.  Being the main antagonist in this play, Juror Three often says negative things about the kid, anyone involved in the case, and his fellow jurors.

     

    The playwright shows Juror Three’s lack of control at the end of Act 2.  Juror Eight accuses him of being an animal and a sadist, and that is when Juror Three snaps.  He goes completely berserk, lunging for Juror Eight in order to silence him.  Odds are if the other Jurors did not hold him back, he would have killed him.  Even at the end of Act Three, Juror Three threatens Juror Eight with a switch-knife.

     
    • Juror Seven 9:59 AM on April 20, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror three has similar characteristics as to my juror (Juror Seven). They both say without thinking, they can get angry quite easily and they both think the boy is guilty. Since juror three only cares about himself I would think that juror three and seven would not get along, even though they share many things in common.

    • Juror 10 10:01 AM on April 20, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror 10 tends to back up Juror 3. They both are hot heads, and let their emotions control them. For example, they both start yelling at Juror 5 after the second vote, assuming it was him, when in reality it was Juror 9.

    • Juror 8 10:08 AM on April 20, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Ok where do we start with how our jurors interact. They are opposite of each other in every way. Juror 8 is the only one that wants to hear the case out and go through everything and test its truth, However, juror 3 is a very stubborn guy that doesn’t want to change his mind. All in all, juror 3 hates juror 8.

    • Juror Six 10:11 AM on April 20, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      At times, Juror Six would agree with Juror Three, because his points would make sense to him. He agreed more with Eight, but considered Juror Threes opinions. He said, when Three was deciding how to stab a man, stated “Down and In. I guess there’s no arguement.”

    • Juror 4 10:14 AM on April 20, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror 4 doesn’t seem to get along very well with Juror 3. Though they agree on the single point of the man’s guilt, Juror 4 does not approve of Juror 3’s attitude and lack of proof going along with his ideas and opinions. Their personalities seem to clash throughout the storyline.

    • Juror Two 10:04 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror Two and Juror Three don’t interact in Act I. I think Juror Two would be intimidated by Juror Three. He would probably be easily influenced by Juror Three.

    • bigsean72 10:21 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror5 and Juror3 have not yet interacted, but if they did i believe they would be in dissagreement. Juror5 grew up in a slum and has lived there his whole life, and I believe he wants to think that the kid is innocent. On the other hand Juror 3 believes he did it because the kid was sent to reform school for stabbing someone, prior to this event.

    • Juror 12 10:21 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror 3 and 12 have some similarities. They both are stubborn and direct, but Juror 12 doesn’t force his opinions on others quite as much as Juor 3. Juror is 12 is more quiet than Juror 3.

  • soapiecb 9:54 AM on April 20, 2009 Permalink |  

    Juror Two 

    Juror Two is a hesitant and meek man. Juror Two doesn’t speak much, but is easily convinced, and doesn’t really have his own opinion on the trial so far. He can be easily persuaded and sometimes takes another juror’s opinion as his own. Juror Two believes that boy is guilty in the first act, but doesn’t have reasons to back up his opinion. Juror Two shows his personality through his interaction with Juror Eight. When the Foreman asks for Two’s opinion, Two is very nervous about answering first. He states the boy is guilty. When Juror Eight begins to question Juror Two, he becomes unsure of his opinion. He has no major reasons as to why he is voting guilty. Eight explains the Fifth Amendment and Two is immediately flustered. Another aspect of Juror Two’s personality is shown through his interaction with Juror Eleven. Eleven is complaining about the wind blowing on his neck when he closes the window. Other jury members preferred that the window stay open, so they tell eleven to switch seats. Two immediately offers his seat up for Eleven. Juror Two doesn’t talk much throughout Act I, but his hesitant personality is revealed and it is also seen that he is more of a follower than a leader.

     
    • Juror 11 10:11 AM on April 20, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Because Juror 2 can not back up his own opinion in the case, i believe that when him and Juror 11 interact it will not be positively. Juror 2 sometimes just takes the opinion of another Juror and Juror 11 is a justice-seeking man. I think that Juror 11 might confront juror 2 and tell him that is to determine life or death for another man.

    • Juror 8 10:15 AM on April 20, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      One of the few interactions between our jurors is when juror 2 votes guilty and juror 8 questions why he thinks this. Juror 2 is unsure of why he voted guilty. Our jurors have nothing against each other, and juror 2 changes his opinion to not guilty fairly quickly.

    • Juror Seven 10:16 AM on April 20, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Since Juror 2 is easily conviced i would think, since Juror seven Manipulates people I would think Juror seven would try to Manipulate Juror into thinking that the boy is guilty.

    • smileeitsfiona 10:26 AM on April 20, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Since Juror 2 doesn’t say much I think he would relate to Juror 9. Since Juror 2 is easily swayed and easily shares the same opinion as another, he could adapt to what Juror 9 believes.

    • Juror Six 10:10 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Juror Two and Juror Six are two of a kind. Neither of them agree or disagree in Act One with Eight or Three. They both stay back, out of trouble, observing the words that came out of the other mens mouths. Whenever they were asked to talk, they would, but not for long. Juror Two and Six are both timid and quiet.

    • bigsean72 10:30 AM on April 22, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I think that if Juror2 and Juror5 were to interact, they would disagree. Juror2 seems to be persuaded easily, and Juror5 seems to hold his opion and stay with it. If Juror 5 and Juror2 were to be on different sides of the case I believe that they would argue quite often.

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